Wednesday, April 25, 2012

What to wear

I read no tennis shoes, no zip jackets, dress up. We do not plan on going to 5 star restaurants but would like to be dressed appropriately. Husband and I are in our 50%26#39;s. Please some suggestions?





Thank you.





Donna in California




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Welcome to the forum.





Really, don%26#39;t worry about it. Dress comfortably during the day and perhaps a little smarter in the evening.





No zip jackets? I%26#39;ve never heard that one before.




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For 4 nights I%26#39;m taking:





Navy trousers - plain, a good weight for autumn



Blue, boatneck sweater, lightweight



A lightweight, red jacket



Navy shoes



A pink, swing raincoat, sounds hideous, looks smart, not gaudy



A navy/pink lightweight suit, more what they call a 2-piece dress these days; can be worn together or as separates



A jacket %26amp; trousers combo, dull goldish, not shiny



A blue, %26#39;posh%26#39; top for the j%26amp;t combo, 2 nights under the jacket, 1 night As the jacket



A pink, short-sleeved jumper, reminds me of %26#39;sloppy joe%26#39; jumpers of the 50s, pretty and casual



A navy dress with red trim - can be a dress or a top with trousers



A navy, soft shirt with a collar and a tiny amount of embroidery



A blue, knitted silk top



Ankle boots with a bit of heel, Very comfortable walkers.



An extra, thin, pink sweater, just in case of a cold snap (3rd week of October)





With that I can mix and match, go sightseeing, go to church, go shopping, do the Bastille walk, eat out and attend 3 operas.



I won%26#39;t bore myself (no-one else to see) and I won%26#39;t smell!





Comfortable shoes - a must.



Layers - a good idea.



Some people worry about %26#39;looking like tourists%26#39; - why? that%26#39;s what we are. Be comfortable!




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Wear what you are comfortable in. Really. It will make you confident and style in Paris is 90% attitude.



There are those who will tell you that sylish Parisiennes wear superior cuts and fine fabrics. Hogwash.



My french friends are affluent, elegant people. The women are wearing American Apparel hoodies and converse sneakers these days. Honestly. Not the ones going to work, but you won%26#39;t be working here.



The men do tend to wear shirts with collars. Anything from button up to polos is fine, but we have noticed, and we meaning my frenchman and me, and service can change considerably when he wears a collarless shirt.




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Parisians must not have gotten the memo about tennis shoes. They%26#39;re not white, usually, but plenty of sneakers (my favourite was a lady of a certain age wearing a pair of purple Chuck Taylor All-Stars -- high tops, no less!)





Look nice, but don%26#39;t worry -- we don%26#39;t wear little black dresses and pearls to go to the supermarket.




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There is such a myth going on that everyone in Paris wears designer clothing and that everyone is a fashion plate.





This isn%26#39;t true. Having just returned from Paris, I saw people dressed much like they would be dressed in any American city. Yes, there weren%26#39;t a lot of white bulky running shoes (which we so love here), but I did see a lot of sneakers in other colors and styles (I personally took a pair of black Keds that were super comfortable for all that walking). I also saw jeans and shorts and capris and sandals and even the dreaded *gasp* flip flop. And these were all on people who I believe to be locals.





So wear what you are going to be comfortable in. Remember that no matter what, you ARE a tourist and that this fact will be known the moment you open your mouth to speak. You%26#39;ll also be on your feet a lot, so comfortable shoes are a must. You do not have to be in your heels like the Parisian women who are walking around to and from work (I did see a lot of heels and I%26#39;m in awe of those women, by the way! LOLOL).





I%26#39;m not sure what you%26#39;re referring to, as far as zip jackets go, but I saw a lot of jackets that zipped up, so that shouldn%26#39;t be a problem. Generally speaking, Paris, as far as apparel goes, looked like any other city in the world.




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Here we go again. While I do not live in the most fashionable part of Paris, it is a place that is full of Parisians, and this is what they are wearing:





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And this is how tourists dress in Paris:





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Examine all of this and draw your own conclusions about how you should dress.




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Thank you Kerouac2 for sharing those links. I was getting a little concerned about what we plan to wear. Not that we don%26#39;t want to look like tourists, but don%26#39;t really want to stand out.



My husband (who is coming a a trip for the first time with me) plans to wear what he wears here....jeans, runners and t-shirts. He is bringing some short sleeve dress shirts and kahkis. I plan to wear mostly capris and shirts. I think comfy shoes is very important, so I may look geeky with my runners on also. Not going let our apparel ruin this wonderful lifetime opportunity of visiting Paris.





Nicole




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As you can see from my photos, that is no problem.





Never forget that in the main tourist areas like Notre Dame, the Louvre or the Eiffel Tower, 90% of the people surrounding you are going to be tourists anyway (including French tourists, naturally).




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Exactly :)





My first factor to count would be comfort.





Most essential thing is comfy shoes. It is a splendid city and you will want to make a lot of walking.



So, more of the %26quot;not seem as a tourist%26quot; concept, concentrate on the %26quot;i want to be comfortable%26quot; idea.





It is essential in a city like Paris where you %26#39;ll do a lot of walking and / or sightseeing.





( oh, dough! a little bit of style is needed too, it%26#39;s Paris, lol, just keep comfort, especially comfy shoes, as the first thing to consider. Style really follows but only after comfort and convenience ).




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It%26#39;s a large city with a vast mix of people from all over the place...so you%26#39;ll see a bit of everything. But one thing I can say that stood out to me as an American tourist was the lack of:





-people wearing t-shirts with words/writing all over them





-people wearing baseball caps





-men wearing shorts





-women immodestly dressed





Not to say these things were not there. It%26#39;s just that overall there were way fewer people dressing like that than they do in the US. It was refreshing to me. Overall in Paris it just felt like people dressed like grown-ups. It just was nice. The stark contrast hit me when I got off the plane in the US and was confronted with all of it in full force.





Wear what%26#39;s decent and comfortable to you. You%26#39;re really most likely the only person who will remember what you wear anyway. :) And be kind to your feet and wear shoes that you know and love.





Happy travels!

First time in Provence - any tips/advice much appreciated!

My friends and I are planning a trip to Provence and Cinque Terre mid-October for 10 days. We land in Nice and were planning to spend about 5 days exploring Provence (perhaps a day trip to Monte Carlo?) and taking a train (?) to Cinque Terre. We will be flying out of Milan.



We will NOT have a car. Can you provide us with must-see places that we can cover in the time frame we are there? Our interests include the outdoors, history and art. Also, from what I have read so far, St. Remy seems to be the top choice for a base. Any thoughts on that front and accommodation and transportation tips will be highly appreciated.





Merci!




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%26lt;%26lt;St. Remy seems to be the top choice for a base.%26gt;%26gt;





There are many of us who would not recommend St. Remy as a top choice for as base; Isle-sur-la-Sorgue or Gordes would be much higher on my list. As for someone without a car and only 5 days (one of which to be spent in Monte Carlo), you%26#39;ll want a location with much better access to public transportation than what is available from St. Remy.





If you absolutely will not rent a car, stay somewhere you%26#39;ll have reasonable access to trains and buses - as limited as bus service will be. My top choice is central Avignon which is arguably the transportation hub of this region. From Avignon you%26#39;ll have easy train access to Marseille, Arles, Aix-en-Provence, Nimes (if you have an interest in Roman ruins), and points east. There%26#39;s also relatively good bus service to Pont du Gard (and Uzès), St. Remy (the service to Les Baux will be suspended for the year by October), and Isle-sur-la-Sorgue and its wonderful markets.





These points alone will consume your available time.




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I agree with Sarastro. Everyone has their favorite area (and I wouldn%26#39;t recommend St. Remy even if you DID have a car), but if you plan to be here without a car, Avignon will be your best option for public transport and/or group (small or large) tours for the region.





Where-ever you stay, enjoy your holiday.




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Have I understood right? Are you staying in Nice first, then moving on? If not, I would suggest staying in Nice and using the excellent public transport there to follow up your interests.





Otherwise Avignon also gets a vote from me. Lots of history, good transport links etc. We%26#39;ve stayed at St Remy with transport, and enjoyed our visit to the general area, but without transport I wouldn%26#39;t contemplate it.



Jo




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Thank you all. We will be flying into Nice, yes but were thinking of staying in one of the smaller places in Provence and then walking/using the bus to get around.




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I tend to agree with the suggestion that you base yourselves in Nice and explore the places you can easily reach by train and/or bus from there. In mid-October as the days get shorter and the weather both colder and less reliably sunny and dry, I think there is a lot to be said for having the options of a city available.





Also you suggest, rather vaguely, a day trip to Monte Carlo. It would take about four hours each way to travel from Avignon to MC, not really a doable day trip.





If it is really western Provence you want to visit rather than the Côte d%26#39;Azur, I agree with the suggestion of Avignon as a base, and definitely NOT St. Rémy especially if you do not intend to rent a car.




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Hi all - I have looked into all your recommendations and was hoping for some feedback on our ideas.





1. We fly into Nice in the morning and check into a hotel there, go to Monte Carlo in the afternoon and head back to Nice for the night.



2. Take a train to Avignon from Nice the next day. I looked at raileurope.com and it seems to be a 6 hour journey with a stop in Toulouse.



3. Alternatively, we scratch out the Monte Carlo plan and instead take a train from Nice to Arles that same day we land.



4. From Arles we head to Avignon which appears to be the most popular recommendation for a base.



5. Spend the rest of the time using Avignon as a base to explore St Remy and other places.





We are not terribly attached to Monte Carlo but if it makes sense, would like to check it out. Any insight would be much appreciated!




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%26lt;%26lt;2. Take a train to Avignon from Nice the next day. I looked at raileurope.com and it seems to be a 6 hour journey with a stop in Toulouse.%26gt;%26gt;





Trains from Nice to Avignon should take from just under 3 hours to 3+30 depending upon which train you book. Advance purchase fares start at 22€.





I recommend you avoid the raileurope.com site as they sell tickets to Americans at prices higher than are available elsewhere.





Try to purchase tickets on line here:





www.voyages-sncf.com (in French only)



www.tgv-europe.com select UK as your country and pickup your tickets at any SNCF boutique or services window.





To pickup tickets you will need:





1. the reservation number



2. to present to the agent for inspection, the same credit card used for the on line purchase.




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Skip Monte Carlo. Spend the day in Nice, a VASTLY more interesting town IMO. All MC has is a lot of over-priced real estate crammed too close together, a lot of even more over-priced shops, a lot of bored, rich people with not enough to do, and a casino...




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Yes, do spend time in Nice; it%26#39;s a lovely place with lots to see and do.





Then off to Avignon; lots of lovely buildings, art etc. Easy to get to Nimes, Pont du Gard etc from there. More than enough to fill your time without too much time wasted on travelling vast distances. Build in plenty of stopping to people-watch at cafes etc. Relax and enjoy it!



Jo




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Hi Tiggy



I have stayed in St Remy twice, and haven%26#39;t had a car cos I can%26#39;t drive! I stay there because I love it rather than because it is blessed with good public transport links. It%26#39;s not, but that doesn%26#39;t stop me going or prevent me from getting around. The most useful web page for buses in that area is www.lepilote.com/transports/index.asp…





The buses that go to St Remy are the 57, which runs from Avignon to St Remy, almost hourly, and costs E4.40 one way, and the 54 which runs between Arles and Cavaillon, taking in St Remy on its way but there are only three a day and none on Sundays.





You will not be able to get a bus to Les Baux in October, so you will have to walk/cycle or take a taxi. It%26#39;s about five miles from St Remy. However the monastery of St Paul de Mausole and Glanum are about 15 minutes%26#39; walk from the town centre, so within easy walking distance.





Places that are easy to get to from St Remy are Arles (fab Roman ruins), Avignon (a good transport hub and you can visit the pope%26#39;s palace and bridge) and Tarascon (fab castle on the Rhone).





If you decide on St Remy, I recommend the Hotel du Soleil. If you stay in Avignon, the hotel Medieval is good, and inexpensive.





Other places to visit in the area are l%26#39;Isle sur la Sorgue, fontaine de Vaucluse and the Luberon villages, also Apt. You can get buses to l%26#39;Isle and Fontaine from Avignon, also a few trains. Where the Luberon is concerned, you might find it easier to take a coach tour as some of the villages have no bus service and for others services are scanty and go in the wrong direction at the wrong time as they are taking villagers to work in towns in the morning and then taking them home again in the evening.

My long trip report- good info for first timers

Hi all,



I would like to thank you for your ongoing help throughout the planning of my short visit to Paris. I hope this trip report will help others in their planning :-)





Saturday Setempber 5th 2009





Arrived at CDG terminal 2B after my short flight from the UK at around 9:30am. I followed the signs %26quot;Paris par train%26quot; went down some escalators and found the huge queues to buy tickets. It%26#39;s quite easy to find and not too long of a walk depending on your pace of course.......it took me around 10 minutes. I decided I would buy a 3 day Paris Visite for Zones 1-6 as I wanted to use the ticket to travel to and from the airport, Versailles and around Paris. I am so glad I bought this. I asked for everything in French and got the response %26quot;Your French is very good%26quot; so I was very pleased with myself (I did French to a high level at school but that was 5 years ago and haven%26#39;t used it since). We got on the train which was at Platform (voie) 11 and 12 and got off at Gare Du Nord. We got lost for a bit here trying to find Metro line 2 but we got there in the end. Finally 2 metros later we arrived in Clichy just outside of Paris. Now all we had to do was find Hotel Residence Europe- simple? No not really we got lost for more than an hour despite checking the map outside the metro 3 times (I blame my other half for thinking his navigational skills are great). So we eventually got to the hotel and again I used my limited French. The hotel staff were very friendly and I immediately felt at ease. The hotel was lovely inside (I%26#39;ll do a review for it soon)very clean and although on the smallish side it was enough for us as we weren%26#39;t planning on spending much time in there. We sorted out our clothes etc and then at around 2pm left the hotel and started our journey towards Paris. We stopped for a baguette and ate it in a Park and then got on the metro. We got off at the Louvre and had a walk around eventually reaching and making a visit to Notre Dame Cathedral and lucky for us the queue was very short. We also managed to get around to La Chapelle but didn%26#39;t go in due to time contraints-I%26#39;ll go to this on my next visit. We spent some time around the islands and eventually stopped off at Ile St Louis for an ice cream at Berthilions- it was very decadent and welcome whilst we sat on a wall overlooking la Seine. We jumped on the metro again and got off on the Champs Elysees. We walked the whole way up to the Arc de Triopmhe and although many say the walk isn%26#39;t worth it I thought it was as coming from such a small country the splendour of the Champs Elysees really amazed me. By this time it was around 7pm so we decided to get the metro back to Clichy get changed and get a bite to eat. We got lost again trying to find our hotel and tensions were high......however, we did manage to find a nice little italian opposite our hotel and we had a nice dinner in there. We both had pizza and a couple of drinks and it came to 28 euros- Bargain. For us it was then off to bed before another busy day.





Sunday September 6th.





We got up around 9am and planned to spend our morning in le Louvre. We walked around taking in the scenery around le Louvre. At 11pm We popped into a lovely little restaurant and got some Omelettes and drinks (this cost 30 Euros). At 12 we finally decided to go into le louvre and it was free as it was the first Sunday of the month so I was very pleased about that- although I did know this in advance. We visited all the usual things.....Venus de Milo, Mona Lisa etc. It was busy but I found it all fascinating and without doubt worth a visit. I must admit though it was the building and the water fountains and pyramind which I loved the most I could have sat there all day in the sun admiring the views. After le Louvre we decided to walk down to Place de la concorde and took some photos and sat on a bench taking in the scenery. We then reached les Invalides I was hoping to see Napoleons tomb but unfortunately if I wanted to get to Versailles I wouldn%26#39;t have time. I%26#39;ll go see this also on my next trip. We got on the RER to Versailles- there is a map on the wall which tells you which quai to be at so it is all pretty straight forward. Versailles was absolutely breathtaking in all it%26#39;s splendour. I got in free because I am under 26 which was great and because we arrived around 4pm we discovered the gardens were free after 5:30pm which was another bonus (as I am sure you can tell I am a budget traveller). The hall of mirrors was simply amazing I loved it all! After a few hours here we headed back to Paris and then back to our hotel in Clichy. We decided that tonight we would go see the Eiffel Tower and then get a nice meal so we put our Glad rags on as they say. We got to the Eiffel Tower and unfortunately the top floor was shut :-( we were disappointed but decided we would go up it the next morning instead. We took lots of photos and then got a lovely crepe before hoping on the metro again to go to the Champs Elysees. Before we knew it it was midnight!!! The other half decided to get a hagen daz icecream and I resorted to getting a McDonalds once we got back to Clichy. We got back to the room with my McDonalds at around 1pm. It wasn%26#39;t how I had envisaged the night but I wouldn%26#39;t change as it was great!





Sunday 7th September 2009





Got up early today and went down for breakfast at the hotel. I am glad I didn%26#39;t bother the day before because it was a bit of a waste of time since as it was so basic and wouldn%26#39;t fill my other half at all. We then packed our clothes and checked out of the hotel around 9:30am. As our flight was at 7pm, however, I asked at the hotel reception if we could leave our suitcases and he pointed us towards the room. I was very grateful for this. We then headed off for the Eiffel Tower. Even at 10am the queues were long. It took all in all about 2 hours to get to the top and bottom again but I do not regret it in fact I probably would have waited 6 hours just to get that amazing view from the top of the tower. Afterwards we decided to go to Pere Lachaise cemetary as my other half is a fan of Jim Morrisson. The cemetary wasn%26#39;t dark and dreary as one would expect in my eyes it could be said to be beautiful. I did feel sad, however, when seeing recent graves and it was a stark reminder that this wasn%26#39;t just somewhere to see those famous graves. After our quick visit we went back to the metro and back to Clichy. We got a baguette and ate it in the park, collected our suitcases and took the journey back to the airport sob sob :-(





Final thoughts.......



I thoroughly enjoyed this visit to Paris although my feet are still sore 4 days later!!! I%26#39;m trying to sneek in another trip asap so fingers crossed I%26#39;ll be back before the end of the year.




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Thanks for posting, glad you had such a good time!




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excellent report! loved all the detail. so glad you enjoyed.

Euro star station to Hotel Le senat

Can anyone give me advise on how to get from the Eurostar Station Gard Nord to Hotel Le Senet



10 rue de Vaugirard | 6th Arr., Paris 75006, France. We will have luggage but we do not mind the train.




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If you take the RER B from Gare du Nord in the direction of Antony -



St-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse get off at the Luxembourg stop.





It%26#39;s a .2 mile 4 minute walk to the hotel.





Here%26#39;s a map:





http://tinyurl.com/le5fez





A cab would be in the region of 15-20 euros...





Rob

no hassle

We have booked to stay at the cheyenne hotel, DLP. I was advised to take the TGV from CDG airport and that it takes you right into the resort but its fully booked for the date we go. Could you please tell me the next best and quickest option. We are travelling with 2 young children!






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Here are all of the CDG to DLP options:





1. TGV



(non refundable fares vary depending upon departure time from 15€ to 30€)



Travel time 9-10 minutes, last departure about 9:55 p.m.



http://www.voyages-sncf.com/ (in French only)



http://www.tgv-europe.com



départ: AEROPORT CDG 2 TGV (95) arrive: MARNE LA VALLEE CHESSY (77)





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2. Bus (VEA)



http://www.vea.fr/uk/index.asp



Adults – 17€, children under 12 – 13€



Departures every 20 minutes from 8:55 a.m. until 8:05 p.m. except:



Until 8:25 p.m. on Monday %26amp; Thursday



Plus 10:25 p.m. on Friday



Plus 9:55 p.m. on Sunday



Travel time about 1 hour





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3. RER (train/métro)



http://www.ratp.com/



RER Line B towards Châtelet-Les Halles; change to Line A for Marne-La Vallée/Disneyland



This is probably the cheapest option (about 14€) but it can take up to 2 hours.





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4. Shuttle



http://www.paris-blue-airport-shuttle.fr/



Private shuttle from 1 to 8 people – 60€ to 100€



Shared ride from 1 to 8 people – 45€ to 12.50€ per person





http://www.shuttle-inter.com/



Private shuttle from 1 to 3 people – 70€



Private shuttle 4 to 8 people – 75 to 110€





Travel time about 1 hour



Reliability varies





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5. Taxi



http://www.taxisg7.com/



Convenient but can be expensive



Travel time about 1 hour



Cost estimate: 75€+



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When we used to fly before the eurostar was built, we always caught the Disney shuttle bus from the airport.(VEA) Tickets were included in our package back then, but you can pay on board.



The shuttle bus took us to the hotel we were staying in,but I%26#39;m not sure if they still do this, or drop you at the hotel bus stops by the railway station at Disney.



If you land at a busy time, there may be a queue for the bus, depending how many flights have arrived with Disney passengers.



When we arrived in the summer holidays once, the queue was very long, and we waited an hour before a bus arrived. We were lucky and got on, but I complained to the driver about the wait and he called for another bus to come for the others.



You could check out the queue first, to see how many are waiting.



If you can afford it, the best and quickest is obviously a private car transfer.




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You say you have 2 young children. Assume you are aware that the Cheyenne has bunk beds?

Euro star station to Hotel Le senat

Can anyone give me advise on how to get from the Eurostar Station Gard Nord to Hotel Le Senet



10 rue de Vaugirard | 6th Arr., Paris 75006, France. We will have luggage but we do not mind the train.




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If you take the RER B from Gare du Nord in the direction of Antony -



St-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse get off at the Luxembourg stop.





It%26#39;s a .2 mile 4 minute walk to the hotel.





Here%26#39;s a map:





http://tinyurl.com/le5fez





A cab would be in the region of 15-20 euros...





Rob

help 3 star hotel wanted

hi all



i am going on a trip to paris at end of sept this is a last minuet decision and i have been looking at hotels now for hours and still cant find one i have no idear of what area to stay in so i am hopeing someone can advise me,and is it easy to get from the airport to the center





would like 3 star hotel





staying for 3 days





would like to be near the main tourist attractions





willing to spend up to 450euros for 3 nights





there are 2 of us and i would like to get this all booked up today if poss so any info would be great




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It might be a good idea to check out what%26#39;s available on www.venere.com/ as I%26#39;m not sure of your dates. It%26#39;s important to note that star rating isn%26#39;t really a very reliable way to select hotels, as they%26#39;re based on the facilities available, and not necessarily on standards of service and quality. Hence, you could find an excellent two star hotel, and a terrible four star hotel.





As for areas, you may find this site to be very helpful in determining where you%26#39;d like/prefer to stay: originalstayinparis.com/blog/where-to-go/how… %26lt;- It was posted here recently on this thread: tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187147-i14-k28850… I inserted in random September dates, and have still managed to find some relatively decent hotels with largely positive reviews on TA and Venere (I always find it good to compare reviews from both sites) that are under your budget range. So, do take a look!





Good luck and have an AMAZING trip! :)




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I heartily recommend you stay at Les Degres de Notre Dame in the 5th. It is located right across the river from Notre Dame, is in a lovely area and is convenient to a metro stop right near by. We stayed in a wonderful room for 2 there and spent 150 Euro per night and that included a great breakfast every morning. You must make your reservation directly through their hotel website www.lesdegreshotel.com. The woman who runs it is named Nicole and she is just great. She reserved a taxi for us to get back to the airport at the end of our stay and was just generally helpful in so many ways.




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laterooms.com/en/k12835253_paris-hotels.aspx





Might want to look on above site. Sept is busy time in Paris




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My favorite booking site is parisby.com (good and abundant photos, same prices as hotel sites, lots of info in a well-organized manner).





Enter your dates, click on %26quot;more search criteria,%26quot; click on: St-Germain/Luxembourg, Hotel de Ville/Marais and Latin Quarter. I just did that and there were 127 options for the last weekend in Sept. Once you narrow it down to 2-3 hotels, check on TA for reviews and/or post here for feedback.



Bonne chance.




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Truth is,, this may not be easy as you think,, simply because end of September will be busy, hotel rates are up from summer, and this is last minute so many good cheaper places will be full.





A good two star may be a better bet then getting a poor three star too.





Maybe look at latebooking.com .





Getting into to Paris is easy and cheap on the RER( suburban train system). About 9 euros, and about 35-40 minutes. Just do not take too much luggage, the underground passages can be long walks, and there are often no elevators or escalators, so you should be able to carry your suitcase up a flight of stairs ( or serveral flights of stairs, LOL ).





There are shuttles, but I have never used them so cannot comment. In some cases a taxi is a good option, travelling with kids, older folks with mobility issues, or very long flights and arriving exhausted( the poor Australians,LOL)or, too much luggage! Taxi will run from 45-65 euros depending on time of day( traffic) and where exactly in Paris you are going .




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Another excellent hotel in a great location in the 6th that is in your price range is the Hotel Le Clement





It%26#39;s only two star but is spotlessly clean. The least expensive rooms are quite small so go for one of the better ones.





clement-moliere-paris-hotel.com/clement/page…




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Do you have specific comprehension of what %26quot;3-star hotel%26quot; means in France?





If not, it is good to know that it refers not to the actually quality of the hotel but to a specfic list of equipment and services (elevator, multilingual reception staff, restaurant on the premises, hair dryer, number of square meters, etc.).





This means that sometimes a two-star hotel can be better than a three-star hotel, because it simply didn%26#39;t qualify due to lacking a restaurant or something like that.





The rules are currently being rewritten because some of the things are becoming obsolete and other services like internet access have appeared.




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Try a Best Western. We stay at the BW Folkestone Opera or the BW Sydney Opera, both between the Madeleine and Haussman.




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We stayed at the Grand Hotel St Michel this summer for a week. We loved the place and the location.



The price would suit your budget.





www.hotel-saintmichel-paris.com/index.html





Handy for RER train from the airport, metro and lots of restaurants.





Rob

hotel for 3 people...

Will need a hotel for 3 people in late October for my husb and I and our 24y/o son....Double/full beds are out..none of us can share a double bed...would need 3 twins or queens../..price under $250 per nite, clean and comfortable, centrally located...would consider 2 rooms.for less than total $300 per nite.. again no double/full size bed




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maybe try the Novotel. We stayed there with our 16 yr old son this summer. Now we had a very large double bed, u wouldnt know anyone else was in the bed with you, and our son had a very comforable bed settee.Rooms are very clean and very modern and well stocked.




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thank you will check it out!!!




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We stayed at the Hotel Massena in the summer of 2008 and liked it. We really enjoyed the location just off Place Massena.





They have interconnecting rooms that may suit your needs.

How do you know the crepe will be good?

My husband and I are making our first journey to Paris next week. I am looking forward to all the sites and to just %26quot;BE%26quot; in Paris... but I%26#39;m just as excited to get a real, authentic Parisian crepe! Are all crepes good in Paris? From your experience, how do you choose the right creperie?





We are staying in the 6th on Rue Dupin, are there any creperies you recommend in that area?





Merci!




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Just a few points on the subject.



1) Virtually all the crepes are good.



2) You have two options, the creperie and the crepe stands. Both are authentic and there isn%26#39;t any one place that is reknown for their recipe.



3) Americans generally get confused, but in France there are savoury crepes (we call %26#39;em galettes) that are made with buckwheat batter and sweet crepes with flour. At most crepe stands even the savoury crepes are made with the sweet crepe batter. In a creperie you%26#39;ll get the real deal for savoury crepes.



4) Where to go given your location. There is a crepe stand at Odeon, just across the street from Les Editeurs cafe that makes savoury crepes using buckwheat. They are excellent. The best sweet crepe I ever had at a stand was on the corner of rue de Rennes and boul Montparnasse, on the left side of the street as you face the tower. There was lemon zest in the batter, which is rare and yummy. Both places are a walk from Dupin.



5) For a creperie, the rue St Andre des Arts (also a walk) has a series of them that are all fine. The best ones are said to be behind the Montparnasse tower, but I can%26#39;t really tell the difference and they are breton, not parisian.




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Phread made a good point about the difference between buckwheat crepes (crepes bretonnes) and the regular wheat flour crepes. When I was a %26quot;starving student%26quot; in Paris way back, I used to eat crepes from the stands near the university. Of course, if you go to a sit-down place, you%26#39;ll probably have more choice and better quality. There are a lot of little stands on the street corners. If you find one with lots of people or fresh-looking ingredients, it%26#39;ll most likely be good.





For sit-down crepes, there used to be the Creperie du Comptoir near 3, carrefour de l%26#39;Odeon (not sure if it%26#39;s there since the owner - the famous Yves Camdeborde - may have converted it into a wine bar. His restaurant is next door and very popular.)





My favorite creperie for buckwheat crepes is Breizh Cafe in the 3rd. It%26#39;s not just a crepe place. They use Bordier butter, serve oysters from Brittany and carry really good ciders and fruit nectars. You can find them through their website.




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Thank you for the clarification between the two! :) I am definitely going to track down the stand near Montparnasse!





We%26#39;ll probably eat %26quot;on the go%26quot; a lot, so I%26#39;m looking forward to both the savory and sweet crepes!




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The best crepe tip we got was to look for a stand where they are pouring batter and making each one as ordered, not taking one off of a pile that are already made.



We never found any we didn%26#39;t like, and came home saying there should be a crepe stand in every mall food court in the U.S.




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I%26#39;ve been eating at the crepe place on rue St.Andres des Arts, in the 6th, across from the movie theater, forever. There%26#39;s a take out window that faces the street. You put your order in to the guy in the window and he makes it there on the spot. The grand marnier ones are really good. The place is easy to find as rue St.Andres des Arts is a very short (and narrow) street. It%26#39;s the street that changes names and becomes rue de Buci farther down. Happy Travels!




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I didn%26#39;t make much sense... we%26#39;ll probably eat on the go a lot so finding good crepe stands will be ideal for us. I%26#39;ll just follow the crowds to the good ones!




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Thanks everyone! My mouth is already watering thinking about the great food we%26#39;ll have!




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A general rule of thumb about crepes from a street vendor or someone making them at a window opening onto the street...





The Longer the Wait



The Better the Crepe.





This holds for Falallel, too.





Pjk




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Nutella and banana !!




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«My favorite creperie for buckwheat crepes is Breizh Cafe in the 3rd. It%26#39;s not just a crepe place. They use Bordier butter, serve oysters from Brittany and carry really good ciders and fruit nectars.»



I COMPLETELY agree with this. It%26#39;s the only place we go for crêpes.



I%26#39;d also add that the crêpe stands almost always use factory-made batter from cartons and most of them prepare and stack the crêpes in advance.



It%26#39;s the little details, like freshly combined ingredients, Bordier butter, and making each crêpe order fresh and hot that separates the real thing from the tourist fodder.

cannes or nice???

we have one day in port there. should we go to cannes or nice?? we are looking for the best views, people watching, beaches, old villages and markets. where can we see and feel the best of the french riviera??




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which port are you docking in?




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villefranche..thank you!




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%26quot;we are looking for the best views, people watching, beaches, old villages and markets%26quot;





It%26#39;s a lot for one day - personally I%26#39;d give Cannes a miss as there is plenty on your doorstep without adding the journey there and back - and much as I like Cannes I prefer Nice, Villefranche and Monte Carlo.





You don%26#39;t say when you land and depart but Villefranche is worth an hour or two, longer if you fancy lunch at the front - lovely outdoor restaurants and tremendous views.





Then I%26#39;d taxi to the hilltop village of Eze - again a couple of hours wandering round and taxi again to MonteCarlo - where there is the old town and palace and the more modern part with the marina and Casino Square.





Taxi or train back to Villefrance.





That%26#39;s a good 6-8 hours.





Or you could substitute Nice for MC - and do a tour of the old town and take in the sea front - really down to time and preference...





Jim




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Definitely Nice.





It meets all your requirements - beautiful views, an Old Town, an open-air market at Cours Saleya...





It does have a long beach although it is not sandy but covered in pebbles.





Enjoy!




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Most definitely agree with Ellonway!



We adored Nice! It felt so comfortable to us and had so much charm. We adore the Old town and in the morning, they have the best produce/ Flower Market



(Tuesday-Sunday) ( Monday, they have an antique market)!



Cannes was very fancy- very beautiful-pretty yachts and people- but we felt so much more at home in Nice! We loved it!



But, please give yourself time to experience Ville franche-sur-mer. It is beautiful, delightful and just absolutely gorgeous! It has a lovely beach and beautiful landscaping! Enjoy!




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Definitely Nice.




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Another vote for Nice if you only have the one day!



Jo

Is Paris a dirty City?

Have heard from a few sources that Paris is dirty city and I%26#39;m just wondering if they%26#39;re being too picky or Paris is like any other large city - I mean London%26#39;s pretty dirty in the scheme of things.




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I%26#39;m almost afraid to answer this...



We thought it was pretty dirty. We live in a large Canadian city and our city is not dirty. Been to Rome on the same trip as Paris and thought Rome was pretty good, but Paris... Dog doo-doo everywhere, cigarette butts everywhere. We were not impressed.




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no, it%26#39;s beautiful. One of the best cities in the world to visit. what%26#39;s a bit of dog poo and litter when you are in the city of lights. Just go.




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I must walk in the wrong places, or maybe the right places? I%26#39;ve never noticed it as dirty. As for dog poo, hey I grew up in Inner WEst Sydney and now I live on a farm, I always keep half an eye on where I put my feet, it%26#39;s habit. But having said that, it is not something I overtly noticed as a problem.





You know, I hate this comment as much as I hate the %26quot;all French are rude%26quot; comment. IT%26#39;s yet another stereotype IMO.




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We were there for two weeks in late June, we were very impressed with how clean it was (saw poop maybe twice in 14 days). No regular trash at all. Way cleaner than any other big city I%26#39;ve visited.




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I would say that it is a bit gritty. I wish the dog owners would pay more attention to their pets. They do have a graffiti problem.




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Some areas are cleaner (or dirtier) than others. Isn%26#39;t that true in every city in the world?




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Millin6,, Port Moody is hardly a large city.. come on..





I live in Victoria ,, and there are areas that are just as dirty as any big city.. Of course, we keep our small touristy center clean .. gotta keep those cruise ship dollars coming in.. LOL




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I lived in Canada for five years and I%26#39;ve never even heard of Port Moody.



But to answer the OP, it is one of the densest cities in the world. That kind of traffic does create a certain amount of grime. But nothing shocking and easily out weighted by the beauty of the architecture.




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When you are looking up at the Eiffel Tower your first thoughts aren%26#39;t oh street is a bit too dirty I think I%26#39;ll leave now.





Paris is a city it%26#39;s going to have areas which are better kept than others. I come from Northern Ireland and in my opinion Paris, well the main tourist areas I visited, was cleaner by far than even my small town.





Don%26#39;t believe all the stereotypes just go to Paris and enjoy it for what it is. A bit of dog poo or dirt here or there won%26#39;t (in my opinion) destroy your visit in anyway. I didn%26#39;t give it a second thought.




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I do not understand what everyone is on about. Visited Paris in Dec last year. I had also read all these posts prior to my trip, and did not know what people were talking about. I never found Paris to be dirty at all.



Now what I call dirty is when I exited KDW, which is a huge department store in Berlin, and the pavement was littered with hundred%26#39;s of cigarette stompies right next to the display window. I never encountered such a sight anywhere else.



Re %26quot;doggy poo%26quot;, never encountered any....



Paris is an awesome city!

Are the French Really That Nice?

I couldn%26#39;t resist.





I%26#39;ve only been following this board for a little over a month and the %26quot;are the French rude?%26quot; discussions have already been beaten to death.





For those of you that follow/post on this board over a long period of time you must be more willing to have splinters shoved under your fingernails than read this crap. But somehow another inane post with the same topic gather 62 posts????





(I must admit that I have only read a few of the posts on the thread and maybe the topic actually is serving some redeeming value but I%26#39;m doubting that is possible.)





Not expecting any replies to this subject, I just needed to vent!





Mike




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Everything i have ever read and heard about, is the French are not nice at all.



therefore, my recommendation, is to not ever go to France..




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I just called my airline and cancelled my non-refundable tickets. That will show them.




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Yes, they really are that nice. I got a €1 discount in Subway and other cool stuff.




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Yes! The French are nice! So there! We should make sure that this particular topic gets more replies than that previous ridiculous one.




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If the first French person you ever met was my ex-mother-in-law, you wouldn%26#39;t go to Paris if someone put you up at the Ritz for free and fed you escargot all day.





My ex-mother-in-law really was a rude and nasty person.




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Our neighborhood cinema gives us the %26#39;senior discount%26#39;, based on my husband%26#39;s silver hair and walking stick :)





Our hotel manager came out and hugged us goodbye last fall





The Asian deli guy ran down rue Daguerre looking for my husband b/c he had left his walking stick behind





People on the bus always try to give their seat to hubby (that walking stick again)





A different hotel manager, many years ago, found us another hotel and PAID the taxi to take us there b/c our room had been cancelled by mistake when I closed out the credit card on file, and AAA did not tell me the hotel called





A doctor played golf w/ my husband at Disney, then insisted on us riding back with him in his car to Paris (very little English was used but we had a little bit of conversation)





We always say %26quot;those French, so rude%26quot; :-) when these things happen...




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People are people, generally nice,my experience is what you give out is what comes back to you. Cheers Dan




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Pix - You%26#39;ve got to let it go!!!It%26#39;s not healthy.




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I think I%26#39;m going to bring a walking stick next time. It seems as if it is a real benefit!





Everyone was wonderful to us when we were in Paris.




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Pix is usually very funny (or informative) yet his comments about his ex-Mother-in-Law are actually VERY funny! And again, who DOESEN%26#39;T have a funny anecdote about their mother-in-law (especially if they%26#39;re an EX)?





Not ALL French are rude (actually very few) but the few ones we ALL inevitably encounter are horrible. Many of us know the %26quot;holier-than-thou%26quot; stare that we recieve on occassion, from certain people in the service industry (aka Waiters in a cafe)........ A Metro employee once ignored me (on my first trip) when asking for %26quot;un carnet%26quot;, professed to not speak ANY English (even when asked for %26quot;un carnet%26quot;). But it was probably my error because I probably did NOT address him with %26quot;Bonjour Monsiuer, je voudrais un carnet%26quot;......... my bad....... I%26#39;ve learned a LOT since then.......





But on the whole, they are very nice and pleasant people. A little effort to speak %26quot;pidgen%26quot; French goes a LONG way in ANY encounter with a local.





For a better experience, one should leave Paris and explore the country. Yes, many speak English, but they DO appreciate ANY effort you make to approach them on their own terms/turf.





I myself remember stopping at a gas station in the Loire on a Sunday. I looked for the credit-card reader on the pumps (because that%26#39;s what we have in America), there was none. So I went into the station to give them my credit card while I pumped our petrol, I apologised %26quot;je suis desole, je ne parle pas Francais, parlez-vous en peu Anglaise? and the girl nodded and said %26quot;pay when you are finished pumping%26quot;.





We do NOT get this at home - I found it refreshing......





I won%26#39;t mention another experience at a patisserie the same Sunday (in a small town - shut down for the day)........





Most of the people I encounter in France are wonderful! They KNOW we are tourists, yet they are still polite, and are helpful when it is required.





When you address them as a person (Bonjour Monsiuer/Madame) and offer a pithy apology about not being able to speak French, most of the French I have encountered are friendly, helpful and almost overly helpful when asked for assistance.





Yes, I am tired of the %26quot;Are the French rude%26quot; threads. It%26#39;s an outdated idea from the %26#39;60%26#39;s %26amp; %26#39;70%26#39;s post-Gaullist France. The French have gotten over it, so why hasn%26#39;t the rest of the world caught up? The French are a wonderful people, and if it were not so, then I would not have fallen in love with France after my first visit!





But, this is a forum for information, so when someone who hasn%26#39;t been to France asks about the stereotype of the %26quot;French being Rude%26quot;, it is up to us to correct the false assumption and explain why the French are so........ French and why it is actually better that they are so....... French............. AND why so many of us here love them for it.....





Vive la difference! Vive la France!

Weather in Paris late September?

I%26#39;m travelling to Paris from Sep 26 thru Oct 4. What should I expect weather-wise?





Thanks for your help!




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I traveled to Paris last year during the same week and it was a weather roller coaster ride. The first 3 days, it was absolutely gorgeous and 75F during the day. Then overnight autumn decided to arrive and it was cloudy/partly sunny and temps of low - mid 60%26#39;s daytime and 48-50 nighttime for the rest of the week. Paris%26#39; weather is rather unpredictable so bring at least one item for different types of weather. And definitely an umbrella, I (almost) guarantee it will rain at least one day, but it%26#39;s rarely a steady rain, more brief showers.




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As above, we just spent a week form 28th aug till 5th sep and it was just the same, 1st 3 days 70-90 then boom, it all changes went down to under 60 and rained alot, though i have been later in september and had good weather the whole time but that was 6 yrs ago. before al our weired weather started. I think at that time of year I woudl expect it to rain alot.




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Thank you all for you input. I%26#39;ll pack my umbrella!




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It%26#39;s much like weather in Ontario -- very, very changeable!





Light layers, a weatherproof light coat, and an umbrella -- and be prepared to change the layers as the day progresses.




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Exactly so! And you%26#39;ll enjoy it all regardless!



Jo

What are our options for getting to Dover?

We will finish our trip to France by driving along the coast of Normandy before catching a ferry to Dover, England. What French ports can we depart from? I have been reading about LD Ferries going to Dover from Boulogne. Have they started? Do we have to drive all the way to Calais? We would like to spend our last night reasonably close to where we get the ferry. Does anyone have any hotel/b%26amp;b recommendations?




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There wouldn%26#39;t be much difference between driving to Boulogne and driving to Calais. They are no more than 25 miles apart if that. There are several options further west from Caen or Le Havre but none would take you to Dover. There is also still ferry service between Dieppe and Newhaven but it%26#39;s a slow crossing and likely not very useful for you. FWIW, the coast between the Seine estuary at Le Havre and Calais is not the most interesting coastline I%26#39;ve ever seen, but if you have to get to Dover you don%26#39;t have any option that I know of other than to drive all the way to Calais or almost all the way to Boulogne. The Boulogne-Dover ferries do not carry foot passengers on all their sailings. I do not know if the same is true about the Calais-Dover routing.





The LD Lines web site: http://www.ldlines.co.uk/




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The LD Line crossing from Boulogne to Dover is opperating. I used it as a foot passenger on their %26quot;fast ferry%26quot; last month which took about an hour. It went pretty smoothly, although the facilities at Boulogne are pretty limited and, unlike from Calais, there are not many sailings.





I disagree with Irish Rover about the actual coast of eastern Normandy, but you would presumably be sing the mainroad a bit inland. Howeer, I would agree that unless you are actually going to Kent, you should investigate the ferry crossings to Portsmouth from Cherbourg, Caen or Le Havre.




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The main operators for Dover-Calais ferries are SeaFrance and P%26amp;O (who also do services from Portsmouth). There isn%26#39;t much between them - travelling by car we take the cheapest, usually SeaFrance, though their services aren%26#39;t quite as frequent as P%26amp;O.



If you%26#39;re heading for Canterbury, the distance is going to be much the same whichever side of the channel you travel, probably more convenient on the French autoroute ... though I suppose you could go to Canterbury as a day trip by train from London after you%26#39;ve finished the rest of your tour?




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For anyone taking a car Eurotunnel is quick (but can be dear), and avoids a rough crossing. Those crossings don%26#39;t take so long, but for people prone to seasickness, it%26#39;s a boon!





For a stop overnight, Logis hotels are available all around the area. Escalles can be a good stopover, close to Boulogne and Calais. When you know which port, come back for more suggestions of hotels and B %26amp; Bs.



Jo

Questions on Metro

I will be travelling from gare de lyon to ecole militaire.Can I take my luggage (a backpack + suitcase with wheels) in Metro ? is it allowed ?





if travelling with luggage is difficult, what will be the approximate taxi charge from Gare De Lyon to Ecole Militaire metro ? is it easy to find a taxi at gare de lyon ?





Do i need to buy a new ticket, if I am changing trains WITHOUT coming out of the platforms/ controlled area of metro station ?





if I buy a carnet of 10 tkts, do I have to use them on the same day or before a certain day ?





Normally what are the %26quot;rush hours%26quot; in Paris metro/ RER/ bus ?





thanks in advance !



(this is the first time I am ever going to use metro)




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%26gt; is it allowed ? %26lt;





Yes, as long as you can manage your stuff.





%26gt; Do i need to buy a new ticket, if I am changing trains WITHOUT coming out of the platforms/ controlled area of metro station ? %26lt;





No.





%26gt; if I buy a carnet of 10 tkts, do I have to use them on the same day or before a certain day ? %26lt;





No, they last for ever.




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%26gt; Is it allowed %26lt;



Yes, you can carry luggage (max. dimension up to 75 cm) on the metro and RER as long as you don%26#39;t hinder the other travellers. You can also take longer packages (up to 2 m, but not wider/higher than 20 cm) like ski%26#39;s - as long as you transport them vertically.





Officially, the rush hours on metro/RER are:



- before 9h00



- between 16h00 and 20h00



on week days.





www3.ratp.info/orienter/reglement.php#regles





From Gare de Lyon to Ecole Militaire is about 7 km by car. You can find the taxi rates here: http://www.taxi-paris.net/page19.html




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Jan gave the official rush hours. In practice, on many lines, rush hour may extend beyond 9 AM in the morning and especially beyond 8 PM in the evening. This is explained by the changes of lifestyles.





From GDL to Ecole Militaire, you would need to change at Concorde for line 8.





Alternatively, you can take the bus #87 towards Champ de Mars and get off at Ecole Militaire. It will take longer than the Métro, but





- the route is beautiful



- Line 87 %26quot;enjoys%26quot; a low patronage and you won%26#39;t encounter problems with your luggage.




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If you want a taxi from Gare de Lyon, just look for the taxi sign hanging from the ceiling and head in that direction. Just que up and wait your turn. It doesn%26#39;t take too long to get a cab.




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Due to the %26quot;change of lifestyle%26quot; business mentioned above, I have found %26quot;rush hour%26quot; much less crowded over the years. I consider the truly crowded times to be from 7:45 to 9:00 and from 16:30 to 18:30.

Great resto needed for a very special night.

Needed: Restaurant recommendations for my Mother%26#39;s 85th birthday celebration. Here are my criteria:





It can be a little over the top – a place to get dressed up for. Must have consistent, good French food. I am willing to pay for good food and atmosphere, but don’t want to pay for a trendy, touristy spot. Money is a consideration, so it has to be within reason. Economical extravagance - how’s that? Can’t do prices like The Four Seasons or Le Jules Verne but can do a celebratory dinner! We are staying near the George Pompidou Centre for your info. We will take a taxi to the resto.





How often does one celebrate a birthday in Paris, let alone your 85th? My Mom’s parents were from Paris and she has never been. I want to make it great. This will be a special night for Mother and Daughter. I’d like to make reservations before we leave (Sept 25). All replies are appreciated. Thanks so much.




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How about a great celebratory lunch? Lasserre? Le Cinq @ Hotel George V? Or, consider dinner in La Galerie versus the formal restaurant - it%26#39;s just spectacular (see the website) and you get to explore the lobby and gardens while you%26#39;re there.





Or, Le Grand Vefour for lunch? I love that place for the gorgeous room, the history (and the food).





There are lots of choices for spectacular dining in elegant surroundings for lunch (a fraction of the cost of dinner if you stick to the lunch menu).




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djk~Excellent idea! Why did I think it just had to be for dinner? Maybe it%26#39;s because I wanted us to dress up a bit, I don%26#39;t know. But I sure like the suggestions.I will keep this lunch option open and look at the sites. Thanks a lot.




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Shaky:





It%26#39;s NOT over-the-top, but I really enjoyed dinner at Le Tastevin on Isle St. Louis. Great atmosphere and service, great location - pretty good food.......





But I do understand some of the premiere restaurants are doing specials for lunch - I think Joan posted about Guy Savoy doing a special for lunch...... but again, that%26#39;s somewhat trendy.....





For myself - Le Grand Vefour or Taillevent or Le Tour D%26#39;Argent are my lifelong dreams..... but I%26#39;ve heard mentioned that Lunch in any of these establishments is easier to %26quot;stomach%26quot; than dinner.......





Bon Appetit!




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Shack - Are you planning to wear the new clothes that you buy in Paris? (your other thread)




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I have looked at a few sites now and I think that Le Grand Vefour fits the bill! It looks beautiful. I do wish I could understand the French menu better!I will print it out and have my husband translate it for me. Can anyone give me a rough estimate of what kind of price I am looking at for 2 if I go with the %26quot;Au déjeuner, une carte-menu comprenant une entrée, un plat, fromage et dessert%26quot; as stated on their menu?? Just so I have an idea. Or just a main and desert because my Mom doesn%26#39;t have a big appetite. I on the other hand can handle it!



Thanks for the help.




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Le Grand Vefour is lovely. They have an 88 euro lunch, but you should confirm this when you call to make your reservation.



I will warn you that even lunch runs several hours and the chef generously offers courses between each course listed on the %26quot;menu%26quot;. You%26#39;ll get pallet teasers, pallet cleansers, and extra desserts. It is wonderful, but ALOT of food (the chef comes from the mountains).



If that is too intense for your mother (my parents or in-laws would hate it... too long, too fancy, too fussy for them (but not me!)) you may want to look into Le Train Bleu. The interior is gorgeous enough to be named a historical monument and the food well above average.



You get much more bang for your buck at LGV, but I am only alerting you in the event that your mother isn%26#39;t up to a long, heavy, but spectacular meal. I mean Josephine ate there!




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Lunch at Le Grand Vefour doesn%26#39;t have to be long or heavy. Our determination to stick to the prix fixe lunch menu vanished when we got a look at the famous foie gras raviolis being served all around, but that may not even appeal to you.





The staff there is top notch and your meal will be perfectly paced depending on what you order.





We don%26#39;t really enjoy alcohol during the day, but to be %26quot;festive%26quot; ordered Kir Royales. Our waiter returned with enormous bottles of Champagne, one in each arm. I thought he was asking us to choose (and one was white, the other pink). After choosing, I was praying I hadn%26#39;t ordered an entire bottle!





The two ladies lunching at the table next to us (tiny and in designer suits with lots of jewelry) enjoyed every course available and several bottles of wine (even a cheese plate after dessert), but you do not have to do that.





Be advised that reservations are essential and should be made forthwith! You can try and reserve online





http://www.grand-vefour.com/fr/reserver.php





Then, think it over, get the menu translated. You can always change your mind and cancel.





If you are a %26quot;Sopranos%26quot; fan, this is the gorgeous restaurant where Carmella and Rosalie had dinner in Paris.





Our lunch was quite leisurely, but perfectly paced and we enjoyed every second, and also quite atmospheric as it was a dark rainy day, until just as we were leaving and the skies cleared!





If you go, be sure to ask your waiter to point out the tables of famous patrons (Colette, Napoleon %26amp; Josephine, etc.)





Note also that there%26#39;s a fairly extensive French Good Glossary on Patricia Wells%26#39; website. It%26#39;s a pdf file you can print as a booklet - very handy to have in Paris!




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I guess that long and heavy are all relative. There is not a four course meal on earth (their lunch menu) that I would not find heavy and the amuse buches, etc and so on are nearly impossible to refuse. You have to roll me out of restaurants of this caliber.



As I said, I love it, but it in noway resembles a N American dining experience and it is not for everyone. Just wanted Shack to be aware, probably because I have unwittingly tortured a visitor or two in just such circumstances.




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Oh I am totally into all of it believe me! After all I marreied a superb Executive Chef and have been spoiled now for 24 years! He will translate all of it for me before I go. (He was great to have with me last year!!)I can be adventurous, but there are certain things I won%26#39;t eat. I like the idea of the 88 euro dinner. I love all the little extras in between. And yes we will do a kir royal - very good idea. I will make reservations now! I%26#39;m not telling my Mom where we are going, it will be a total surprize for her on Oct. 1st.





Thanks so much for all your great input everyone. djk~ your descriptions are great! It is very appreciated.I will of course, report back on our lunch. I hope I can get in for Oct 1. Fingers crossed.




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Shackvancouver, I just learned from a recent poster (if you look, the post is called %26quot;LONG trip report%26quot; and it was in the last day or so I believe. She recommended a book that is devoted to dining in Paris and deciphering the menus that are in french (rightly so). It is called Eating and Drinking in Paris%26quot; by Andy Herbach. I just ordered it from Barnes and Noble online. Maybe it will help you not only during your special dinner, but also for the whole of your trip. It will be the first thing I pack for our trip next June! Have fun!

chas. de gaulle airport to gare de l'est

How does one get from the airport (Chas. de Gaulle) to Gare de l%26#39;Est to take a train? And how much time should be allowed for this?




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The RER B will take you to Gare du Nord in half an hour, and then Gare de l%26#39;Est is just one metro stop away or a 10 minute walk.





Even if you are not familiar with urban transportation and not particularly fast, the trip would take well under one hour.




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While the above is a good guestimate once you reach the RER station and have a ticket, keep in mind that it could take an hour or more from landing to the RER station at CDG, by the time you walk to and get through passport control, pick up your bags, then walk to the RER station. And, it could be longer, depending on your airline and whether your plane is assigned a gate or you are bussed to the terminal and/or your arrival terminal and its distance from the RER station. If you don%26#39;t have Euro coins for using the automated ticket machines at the RER station, there could be a considerable line for purchasing your RER ticket with bills or a credit card.





You%26#39;ll also want to plan to arrive at Gare de l%26#39;Est about 1/2 hour, if you already have your ticket, before your train departs, to use the rest room, purchase a bottle of water, and familiarize yourself with the track numbers/layout, so that you can get yourself to the correct track and board once the number is posted.





If you have to pick up or purchase a ticket at Gare de l%26#39;Est, you%26#39;ll need to allow plenty of time for that, as American credit cards cannot be used in the automated ticket machines there either. Even short lines at the attended ticket windows can take a while.

Annecy day trip

Is it feasible to take a day trip from Chamonix to Annecy. I believe that I can take the TGV train. Does anyone know exactly how this works? I believe I need to transfer to another train but not sure where. How long would the trip take? Also is it worth it to do this? Thanks!




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Not really doable by train. No you cannot take the TGV. Yes you would have to change trains. It would probably take ~2.5-3 hours each way and trains are very infrequent.





If you were to do it by car I%26#39;d want to make a two day trip out of it and explore more of the region. Chamonix-Annecy-Albertville-Moutiers-Bourg St. Maurice-Courmayeur-Chamonix would be an interesting trip...




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Rent a car and the drive takes 1hour.





I did this last week and had a good day out in Annecy. It was even raining and I don%26#39;t do rain.




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www.sncf.fr is the website you need for French railways, but it is not a great train trip - over 2.5 hours as opposed to 1 in a car. Annecy is worth the visit, though.




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Chamonix Bus do a day trip to Annecy with a guiode during the summer months (and I think also in the winter). It is 22 euros but I think this Monday may be the last oe of the season.



Annecy is an interesting town on a beatiful lakje an well worth a visit.




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I have done it by train in the opposite direction which worked pretty well. But trains are not frequent and from Chamonix you would have to make an early start - the only morning train leaves at 6.53.

taxi for 5 from Gare du Nord

Hello all



We are traveling to Paris in the end of September with our 3 kids.



We are wondering how easy is to catch a taxi for 5 from Gare du Nord to the apartment that we will be staying in Paris (adress: rue Bourg Tibourg).



We are ariving by train from Amsterdam around 5pm. Does any body knows how long can be the drive to the apartment and how much will it cost?



Is there a bus conecting Gare du Nord to rue bourg tibourg directly?



thank you



er11




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Easy enough... the taxi stand is to the right as you take the main station exit. Ignore offers of rides from unlicensed cars. There are many minivan taxis in Paris ... just let the people in line behind you grab a car and wait until a van comes down the queue.





The ride should cost you about 20 euros max including the extra passenger and extra baggage charges.





If you have a look at the Paris bus and metro map at RATP.com you%26#39;ll see your street is between metro stops and would require at least one bus transfer and you%26#39;ll all have luggage... all things considered a cab is likely your best bet.





Rob




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Plan on spending about €50. Have the address written down to show to the driver.




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Misread the post--yes about €20.





Map here:





http://www35.ratp.info/Proxi/proxi.php?





Note the 69 bus on the rue de Rivoli--very scenic ride to the Eiffel Tower.




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It%26#39;s difficult to find a taxi for 5.The taxidrivers didn%26#39;t take more than 4.And if you have lugage ....




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thank you Rob




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tnx.



What are you suggesting for 5?




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what are u suggesting for 5 ericseparis23?




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I think he means a regular car type taxi might not fit.





A driver with a minivan (some are bigger than others) won%26#39;t leave you standing there...




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I hope you%26#39;re right,Rob, but I am not sure.The drivers take 3 sometimes 4.5 is too much for insurance...



2 taxis maybe, or a VW Touran.There%26#39;s not a lot of minivan as %26quot;Taxis Parisiens%26quot;.



You can see the answer n°%26quot;if you can read french



taxisg7.fr/public/…it15




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just an idea -- we took the train from Amsterdam to Paris last September. The steward on the train came around with a reservation slip for the taxi at Gare du Nord. We were able to prebook what we needed (taxi for 4 - two of which were LARGE men) and the driver was waiting for us at the exit. He had a sign with our name on it.

Paris visite card - Zones 1-3 enough?

Hi all,





Am travelling to Paris with hubby in October. Staying for four nights in a hotel near the Eiffel Tower.





Have been told that the paris visite card is very good for all types of transportation to major sights in paris.





Have never been before - have investigated a little and have found that paris is split up into 6 zones. Would a travel card for zones 1-3 be sufficient for us?





Would anyone recommend buying a carnet of tickets instead?





Your help would be much appreciated.





Thank you.




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Zones 1-3 conver all of central Paris and pretty much anyting you would want to see.





Not covered are the Airports, Versailles, Disneyland




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Hi Trensandiego,





Thanks for your swift reply.





Did you buy a visite card for your visit?





Magpie




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magpie,



most of the attractions are located within zones 1%26amp;2, travel to Versailles would be outside.





www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan.php…




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The Paris Visite covers the centre of the city and therefore almost all of the major sites (Notre Dame, Montmartre, Eiffel Tower, museums) but not Versailles.





Most people on here seem to go for the carnet, but personally I%26#39;ve always found the Visite to be good value and easy to use. If, that is, you plan to use the Metro or buses a good bit, which if you%26#39;re out over by the Eiffel Tower you probably will. If you prefer to walk the carnet may be better value, but the thing with the Visite is it last days not journeys!





You can see the zones here (1 in the middle, and so on going outwards...):





parisbytrain.com/files/2008/08/ile-de-france…




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Hi plan09,





Thanks so much for your reply.





What type of ticket do you tend to buy when using transport in Paris?





Thanks





Magpie




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Hi Riostar,





Thanks so much for your help.





I think we will go for a visite card - we will not be going to versailles or disney - this is just our first visit. I will go now and look at your link.





Thanks so much for your help.





Magpie




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Personally I%26#39;ve always gone for the Visite; it is one ticket that lasts you throughout your visit and it good value for the amount of use I get from it (we use the Metro/buses a lot to save our feet to see all the things we%26#39;ve travelling to see!)





We tend to get a carnet to get us to the Gard du Nord on our final day and use the Visite to cover the rest of our holiday.




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Magpie,





You%26#39;re welcome. Sorry, thought your previous reply was for me, hence my prior post!





Enjoy your visit to Paris :-)




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The advantage of the Paris Visite card is you don%26#39;t have to worry about fares and you can use it on the RER, Métro and buses, etc.. For a visitor it can be ideal as it%26#39;s one less thing to worry about. It comes with a good transport map and it also offers some discounts. ratp.info/picts/…20paris-touriste.pdf




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Hi Magpie,





I have just returned from a 3 day trip to Paris. I purchased the Paris Visite and I was so glad I did. I paid for Zones 1-6 because I wanted to use it to get to and from CDG airport and Versailles and also for the general metro/RER use. It%26#39;s convenient and easy to use and worth it if you are going to travel a lot. A least with the Paris Visite you just need one ticket which you use for all your train/bus travels and therefore there is no need to queue at stations or to carry around a number of carnets or the like.





Hope this helps :-)

Back yesterday from a great Paris trip ( once again great )!

Hi all :)



We returned yesterday from a great 5 days Paris trip.



It was my third trip in Paris, so i knew some basics.





Nevertheless it was the first for years after %26quot;acquiring%26quot; a heart-related disability. To get things a bit more complicated, it a first time trip of my 72 yrs old mother, as a present to her for %26quot;standing%26quot; me for 40 years :)



Our trip was a sucess. We had a quite wide list of things to see and visit. We managed, more or less, to see and do everything we wanted, enjoying the city, the people and the food.





Our trip started with landing at CDG - Terminal 1 airport after a 3 hours nice flight on Aegean Airlines.





Having decided that we would not take a taxi to our hotel at the Place de la Bastille, we opted for a CDVGAL short trip to Terminal 2, followed by an RER trip to Gare Du Nord and then a metro ride to Bastille.



It may seem a bit weird too many people that we actually got public transportation instead of a shuttle or a taxi. Having in mind our ability we had packed extremely light, on rolling luggage, no backpacks. I travelled on a 5 kilos luggage ( lol ) for a 5 days trip + a mini waist band carrying passport and medication.



I would not say it was the most comfortable airport trip i have made in my life ( = stairs in some places ) still we enjoyed it tremendously ( oh, some people draw pleasure from public transportation, i think i am weird too ).



Actually it was a non traffic dependent way to reach our hotel, taking us less than 60%26#39; for the whole trip in the middle of rush hour. We took our time in any upgoing stairs and despite some tiredness, i would do it same way.



Nevertheless, if you have a restricting disability or have any problem carrying load, do consider the possibility of a taxi or a bus service to avoid any stairs climbing. It will probably take longer but it will get you where you want ( esp. taxi ) without any carrying.





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DAY 1



After checking in in %26quot;Le Pavillon Bastille%26quot; hotel ( nice, we liked it / small rooms but clean. We liked the colors, the price and the service. Location in Bastille worked perfectly for us ) we immediately got out and took #69 bus to Hotel De Ville.





Bus service is prompt, bus drivers are extremely kind, #69 and #76 get you at day time from Bastille to Notre Dame -%26gt; Louvre. 69 goes all the way till Eifeel Tower. We found bus service extremely helpful and convenient. Buses are a bit bumpy ( hold tight ) but not so crowded like the metro + you avoid any stairs. If you have a bus stop aside consider using it; thank you Francophool for the great tip re: 69 bus :)





We walked from Hotel De Ville -%26gt; Notre Dame -%26gt; aside the Sein, all the way to the Louvre to have a first view of the Pyramid. It is a long walk but on a great weather gives you a perfect first-time visitor of the river, the city and the feeling of the architecture ( great! great! great! ).





After what has been a long day with a flight, an airport trip, check in, walk aside the Sein, we crawled to a bistro, got our first ( soothing, be careful it is hot! ) onion soup, plus salad, plus plat, ate everything as happy visitors and then got a taxi to get us back to our hotel.





One huge advice: Please do use the %26quot;Bonjour Madame%26quot; or %26quot;Bonjour Monsieur%26quot; way to greet whan you start a conversation. I don%26#39;t speak French at all ( good in English ) but i found that a smile and a greeting in French goes not only a long but a huge way.



France is a huge cultural beacon in the globe and has a wonderful language. English or American speaker really don%26#39;t have to learn how to read French literature ( well, may be we actually all have to, but this is a whole different conversation, lol ). Nevertheless, common kindness, asking for an English menu but asking it in French (



%26quot;deux menus en anglais s%26#39;il vous plaît%26quot; ) is not only kind but hugely fun; at least for you ( i guess our accent was horrible, but anyway ) :))





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I promise i %26#39;ll keep posting re: following days, lol, although i am already planning the next trip, having a bit of %26quot;I-miss-Paris%26quot; syndrome and trying to sort photos out :) Oh and get some sleep and rest my aching feet :))




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Looking forward to the details of the rest of your trip.




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I love taking public transportation when I travel also so you aren%26#39;t alone!




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Thank you for sharing. I look forward to hearing more, particularly your mother%26#39;s insights. I so wish I could have gotten my own mother to Paris.




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Our sleep was great.





I woke up next morning, way before dawn actually, a bit dizzy, slightly tired to find my mother wearing her Jackie Onassis eye mask and me struggling not to start laughing in the middle of the night.



When she finally woke up around 90’ later, first thing I told her was: “hey! Wake up!! It’s Paris time now!”



Her really fascinating response was something like: “humpffghk. I ‘d like a coffee first. Louvre can wait”.



So, after some cups of coffee for her, a bit of milk for me, plus cereals, honey, fabulous bread ( I really wonder how French do these! ), we felt awake enough to go for the first thing we have planned, the Louvre Museum.





A fast uneventful #69 bus ride ( lightning speed in still half asleep Paris ) and a bit of walking, brought us to the Pyramid Entrance and the biggest queue I have ever seen in my life ( first Sunday of a month is a free day, so this is a huge crowd-attractor. Place got gradually super crowded from opening hours till noon, so if you really want some less zoo-like visit on this sincerely top museum, do opt for some Wednesday or Friday afternoon openings. Less crowds and more of “this is a museum for me” feeling ).





Directly on Pyramid entrance, on main square, a special queue is reserved for immediate disabled-people access to the museum. After some e-mail exchange with the Museum prior weeks, I have translated all my official documents in French, in order to overcome the fact of the “invisible disability” problem. It is really a hard, or better to say, impossible task for a security officer to distinguish a disabled visitor if he / she falls in categories that disability is not easily distinguished visually. So, I would advise to carry your disability card and, moreover, proper documents officially translated to French will help the security officer to guide you better and understand the situation.





Our access took less than 10 seconds and, thanks God, this is what I needed more. Queuing was just something mind-puzzling for me from the very first minute this trip was planned.





Well, to the more important info right now. First of all, Louvre Museum is huge. “Huge” means huge. Not “pretty big”, “quite large”, “expanded”. Plain huge.



It is roughly speaking three different museums, Gallery Devon, Sully, Richelieu, practically three legs of a large U shaped complex. What the Pyramid mainly gives you in the middle is sort of a terminal underground bright-lit space where you get your tickets, get coffee, shop and also can decide which way to go. These three Galleries are connected in some limited points in the overall scheme but mainly we are speaking about 3 distinct areas with different historical periods exhibited in.





So what I would advise is



- first thing - get to Information desk and get one of the map-leaflets that are available in many languages ( ahem. . ., not Greek, hey! )



- then put the one from your company you dislike more ( mu ha ha ) to queue for tickets ( or use the automatic ticket sellers if you all really like each other)



- then get to the coffee house at the floor you are or the mezzanine floor to get a coffee and have a small talk on what you ‘ll see / where it is located / how you ‘ll go there.



Try to limit yourselves to some basics. It is really not possible to see everything in a visit, even long. Oh, and avoid going from Sully to Denon, and then Richelieu, and then Sully again, getting in the crowd.





. . .which is exactly what we did. lol. We spent 4 - 5 hours in there, managed to see many things we wanted and in the same time lost a whole bunch of things we wanted to see. Venus of Milo is simply great. Greek-Roman sculpture halls are fabulous, Eastern antiquities too. Constantly trying to avoid any stairs going up we located all available elevators, still in this first visit we did not manage to reach Samothrace Nike in a small distance ( which we did in a repeat visit on the last day of our trip ).



During our visit we had a coffee break in the café and a lunch break in the restaurant.



Coffee break was a huge disappointment ( worst food I had in Paris, a hugely disappointing “club” sandwich that was as soggy as a medieval wall under the Seine, coffee arrived in a broken cup!, chair as comfy as a torture chair, chaotic and slow service ).



On the directly opposite direction our lunch break in the Museum restaurant was just great. Great service with a smile, calmer space, really good food, timed delivery of food, great tastes, everything as it should be and worth of every dime we spent in. Our “coffee break” cost us 25 euros for water + 2 cofees + 2 small desserts and seemd as a rip off. Our lunch break cost was only 45 euros and I would happily spend double for the quality we received in such a small price margin.





All in all everything in the Museum is simply greatly exhibited. Wealth of exhibits, width of coverage of historic areas, overall feeling are stunning. Despite the fact that this is a former Palace and not a museum, the whole works just fine despite some hick-ups. Just remember, it is huge, it is as i get it the biggest museum in the world ( or shares top rankings with the Hermitage in St Petersburg ) needs planning, needs working with your map-leaflet or guide book, needs time and needs some breaks. Avoid first Sunday of the month ( free-day ). It is really not worth of skipping a small ( really just symbolic for what you get ) price and have an experience of the museum with I ‘d dare to say tenths of thousands of other visitors. So, opt for late-opening days like Wednesday and Friday afternoons to ensure a better experience of this simply great museum.





So, after it has been around half a day we exited the museum and proceeded back to our hotel for a much needed midday rest. Bus took us back.





( . . .)





“Mom. . .hey ( poke ) mom! You really don’t think we ‘ll stay in the hotel!”



“Oh, come on! I walked enough miles to cover half a marathon this morning in the museum! Give me a break”



“Hey! We “have to do” Place Des Vosges and Eiffel Tower after.”



“Eiffel Tower has been standing there for more than a century without me visiting. I am pretty sure it will be there in my next visit . .zzzhlrppfff”



“No, no, no, it has been in our list from yesterday.”



“Ahem?”



“If I promise you we will skip Orsay Museum, will you wake up and get our bodies to Eiffel Tower? It is just a bus ride really!”



“I ‘ll give you an Eiffel Tower and you ‘ll give me 2 hours in Louvre Museum shop last day. They had some beautiful scarves in there which I really wanted to buy. Oh, and some great pillow-cases. Deal?”



“Deal”



%26quot;zzzhlrppft%26quot;



“Now wake up!”





After some munching of éclairs, mill-feulles, some vienoise coffee in a café on Place de la Bastille, a philosophical conversation followed regarding how any diet will magnificently collapse when you visit Paris. So, with engines filled we did the short walk from Bastille to Place Des Vosges ( simply great! ) and then took #69 bus to Eiffel tower.





It was a great bus ride once more. Bumpy but fast that gave us some sightseeing too, passing aside the Louvre, the Seine and then getting into some great little roads before Champ de Mars and Eiffel Tower.





Now, Eiffel tower is what is supposed to be. Well, bigger :) and brighter :) Get there in a time where you can see both its day view and its night view. So I guess getting there arriving somewhere between sunset is a really good timing. Ticket line is, as sensibly expected very long”.



We always think that seniors will go for the %26quot;romantic%26quot; things when they visit Paris and you know, this is a stupid stereotype sometimes. Senior people do love activity and live their lives in different styles one from each other. So, in an enlightening moment, right when i was having quick looks at the food-stall. my mother told me %26quot;I want to go up%26quot;.



We entered through disabled entrance, showing proper documentation. One of the most kind ladies I have ever met called immediately for help to my mother, thinking she is the disabled person of the company. So until I reached the elevator ( took my time to reach it, it has been a long time already standing ) she zapped in supersonic speed to tickets ( lol, she actually ran ), grabbed two and returned back to me with a triumphal face. “Got them!, we are in! we ‘ll see Paris from above”



It was indeed a very good choice and one of the things my mother really spontaneously asked we do at this trip. Another thing she would like to ask would be to do a bunjee jump from the Tower but thanks God! this was not an option.





Seeing Paris from above, on Eiffel Tower is one of the 3 – 4 places around the world I know you %26quot;have to%26quot; do. I mean come on! What’s a NYC city without getting to Empire State Building or even better TOTR? or Venice without going up the Venice Tower. It’s the same here. Views are panoramic, tower lights are also great from up there. An enclosed space is also available if weather is cool + a tiny snack bar stall and a souvie shop.





Two hours later, 50 euros lighter, loaded with Eiffel-Tower chocolates t-shirts and hats, as happy as a tourist can be, we took elevator to the ground. We paid our tribute to the crepe stall right there, did some aside the river walking and half asleep hailed a taxi to get us back to the hotel after a full day. We had “done” just three things, an extended Louvre Museum visit, a Place des Vosges passage and an Eiffel Tower ascend. Having done what other people would say is a tiny list I was happy, fulfilled, exhausted, impressed, waiting to meet again with my beloved bed and get some energy for the next day :)




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Brilliant writing! You make me even more excited about going, 5 weeks today!




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Lovely report - thank you!!